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Pope Easy Start 2 Stroke #89255
17/12/17 02:35 PM
17/12/17 02:35 PM
MickyD  Offline OP
Mister Gramps
Joined: Nov 2013
Posts: 48
Brisbane, Queensland
I have an old Pope 2 stroke Ezi Start which I have 2 questions on this old girl. 1. Is this model have points of electronic ignition? 2. The mechanism as shown in the photo I assume to be some sort of decompression mechanism, I cannot see how this would work based on what is evident in the photo, maybe there is something missing? If anyone can shine some light on this it would be appreciated.

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Re: Pope Easy Start 2 Stroke [Re: MickyD] #89256
17/12/17 04:46 PM
17/12/17 04:46 PM
CyberJack  Offline
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Tasmania
Hello MickyD
This model will have points.

The Ezi Start is complete.
It is a hilariously simple, and it used old technology.

It is friction operated - via the rubber tip touching the underside
of the starter pulley. This would engage the head decompressor valve
when cranking the starter. Simple - but effective.

This is unlike the Victa approach - that used a vacuum system.

Hope this helps.
------------------------------
Jack

Re: Pope Easy Start 2 Stroke [Re: CyberJack] #89258
17/12/17 05:42 PM
17/12/17 05:42 PM
MickyD  Offline OP
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Brisbane, Queensland
Fantastic Jack, yes i've cleaned the points and now have spark. Thank you for solving the riddle of the decompression mechanism.

Regards, Mike.

Re: Pope Easy Start 2 Stroke [Re: MickyD] #89261
17/12/17 08:18 PM
17/12/17 08:18 PM
CyberJack  Offline
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Hi MickyD

Thank you for the great images!
I can't recall better images of the decompressor system than you have given us.

Pope built mowers to a high standard.
It's great to see another one saved.

--------------------------------
Jack

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Re: Pope Easy Start 2 Stroke [Re: CyberJack] #89262
17/12/17 08:25 PM
17/12/17 08:25 PM
MickyD  Offline OP
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Brisbane, Queensland
Unfortunately the valve needs work, it's seized at the moment, probably with years of carbon etc, build up. The plan with this one is to get it running properly then pull it down and to a meticulous resto on it. One more question Jack, going by what you see in the photo do you think the governor linkage and flag look to be in the correct position?

Last edited by MickyD; 17/12/17 08:27 PM.
Re: Pope Easy Start 2 Stroke [Re: MickyD] #89273
18/12/17 06:28 PM
18/12/17 06:28 PM
CyberJack  Offline
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Hello MiskyD
I'm not sure - as I haven't work on one for decades.

I don't suppose there's a model number on the base - maybe under the fuel tank area?

---------------------------------
Jack

Re: Pope Easy Start 2 Stroke [Re: MickyD] #89304
20/12/17 04:14 PM
20/12/17 04:14 PM
MickyD  Offline OP
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Brisbane, Queensland
I'll check it out and get back to you Jack, thanks mate.

Re: Pope Easy Start 2 Stroke [Re: MickyD] #89305
20/12/17 04:26 PM
20/12/17 04:26 PM
MickyD  Offline OP
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Anyone who can supply comparable images to compare with, would be great!

Re: Pope Easy Start 2 Stroke [Re: MickyD] #89438
31/12/17 08:46 AM
31/12/17 08:46 AM
MickyD  Offline OP
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Brisbane, Queensland
Hi all, good news I freed the decomp valve ok and the mowers starts first time. I still think the governor is not quite correct as the thing will idle perfectly, but when the throttle is opened to accelerate the engine runs really hard, there does not seem to be any happy medium. Most anxious to try to find a diagram of the governor set up for this model. In my previous photo it looks to me like the governor flag is too far away from the flywheel to have any real benefit. Uneducated guess only. I will Google to try to find answers, but if anyone can come up with an original setup picture that would be great. Cheers, and Happy New Year.

Re: Pope Easy Start 2 Stroke [Re: MickyD] #89446
31/12/17 04:11 PM
31/12/17 04:11 PM
CyberJack  Offline
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G'day MickyD

I hope some images are forthcoming from members.
I have just uploaded an operator manual for an 82-213: -
https://www.outdoorking.com/forum/ubbthreads.php/topics/89444.html

If you can regulate the throttle by moving the throttle butterfly shaft, then
this might indicate an issue with throttle springing.

This machine would have originally had a flexible Bowden throttle cable.
Your images do not quite reveal the throttle set-up on this Walbro carby.
Does it have a throttle spring to keep tension on the throttle?

-----------------------------------
Jack

Re: Pope Easy Start 2 Stroke [Re: MickyD] #89447
31/12/17 05:24 PM
31/12/17 05:24 PM
MickyD  Offline OP
Mister Gramps
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Posts: 48
Brisbane, Queensland
Yes Jack it does have a spring at the end of the cable. I'll check out your attachment and i'll get back to you. Thanks again. I have a sneaky feeling that it's something to do with the governor flag, because as you can see in my original photo that the flag sits a long way from the flywheel?

Last edited by MickyD; 31/12/17 05:29 PM.
Re: Pope Easy Start 2 Stroke [Re: MickyD] #89483
02/01/18 06:57 PM
02/01/18 06:57 PM
CyberJack  Offline
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Hello MickyD
I think I have located a decent parts list for your Pope engine: -
https://www.outdoorking.com/forum/u...203-the-deluxe-pope-c1972.html#Post89461

An image of your throttle set-up might help members understand the issue.
Essentially, you are not getting good throttle response.

If you can manipulate the throttle butterfly with your fingers,
and get good response, would indicate some linkage problem.

Hope this helps.
----------------------------
Jack

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Re: Pope Easy Start 2 Stroke [Re: MickyD] #89484
02/01/18 07:09 PM
02/01/18 07:09 PM
MickyD  Offline OP
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Posts: 48
Brisbane, Queensland
Thanks Jack, that diagram has helped a lot. If you look at the governor linkage my original photo and then compare it to the one in the diagram you have attached, they seem vastly different. I'll take the cover off the carby and post a more detailed photo up at some stage. Thanks again, much appreciated.

Re: Pope Easy Start 2 Stroke [Re: MickyD] #89574
06/01/18 03:09 PM
06/01/18 03:09 PM
MickyD  Offline OP
Mister Gramps
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Posts: 48
Brisbane, Queensland
OK guys, i've removed the cover and included 2 pics of the throttle setup. The engine will start ok but will only run an slow idle or flat out, there is no in between. As far as I can tell all linkages and springs are correct and the throttle works properly. The governor linkage I was concerned about seems to be the right shape (to me anyway) to clear the cylinder between the flag and the carby setup. (As in original photo). What I have noticed is that in the exploded diagram that Jack sent the throttle cable seems to be coming in from the front of the engine, but on the actual mower it is coming from the rear (fuel tank end)?

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Re: Pope Easy Start 2 Stroke [Re: MickyD] #89594
07/01/18 09:05 AM
07/01/18 09:05 AM
MickyD  Offline OP
Mister Gramps
Joined: Nov 2013
Posts: 48
Brisbane, Queensland
Update on this: I have actually made another governor linkage that when attached brings the governor flag closer to the flywheel. But on starting the engine the same symptoms persist, so I guess the governor linkage as original is ok.

Re: Pope Easy Start 2 Stroke [Re: MickyD] #89595
07/01/18 10:14 AM
07/01/18 10:14 AM
MickyD  Offline OP
Mister Gramps
Joined: Nov 2013
Posts: 48
Brisbane, Queensland
Think I have it sorted. I put the original governor linkage back on and the only other thing I changed was the position of the "L" shaped piece where the knob on the end of the throttle cable attaches. I turned it upside down which moved the cable to the bottom of this piece instead of at the top changing the direction of momentum (if that makes sense). Still very touchy on the throttle but now I can get an even throttle response wherever I set it to. Thanks for the input guys, now the restoration starts.

Re: Pope Easy Start 2 Stroke [Re: MickyD] #89598
07/01/18 10:57 AM
07/01/18 10:57 AM
CyberJack  Offline
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Hello MickyD

I have not heard back from you on the throttle shaft test.
If you can govern the engine that way, it would indicate a linkage or spring problem.

The obvious thing here is an incorrect gov spring.
The gov spring balances out the forces exerted on the gov air vane to
produce a full rpm range. This is p/n 7503-1-34.

----------------------------
Jack

Re: Pope Easy Start 2 Stroke [Re: CyberJack] #89615
07/01/18 03:30 PM
07/01/18 03:30 PM
MickyD  Offline OP
Mister Gramps
Joined: Nov 2013
Posts: 48
Brisbane, Queensland
Where would one acquire a governor spring for this model Jack?

Re: Pope Easy Start 2 Stroke [Re: MickyD] #89621
07/01/18 07:54 PM
07/01/18 07:54 PM
CyberJack  Offline
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Tasmania
Hello MickyD

Only the Pope would know that answer.

I have thought about this and I feel the best solution would be to un-govern the engine.
Parts for Popes are not available.

The original Pope 2-strokes (and Victa 2-strokes)
were not governed engines.

This would require the removal of the air-vane linkage and a direct
connection via a solid cable to the throttle butterfly. That is do-able.

The operator - you - would have total control of RPM.

Hope this helps.
--------------------------------
Jack

Re: Pope Easy Start 2 Stroke [Re: CyberJack] #89753
13/01/18 04:58 PM
13/01/18 04:58 PM
MickyD  Offline OP
Mister Gramps
Joined: Nov 2013
Posts: 48
Brisbane, Queensland
Cheers Jack, might do that indeed.


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